Does Lucas Have a Chance?
Warning: This is completely a Team Lucas post. Team Nathan fans advised to proceed with caution. :)
Hello Hearties and welcome to Wednesday! Yes, this is the Lucas post I had asked for you guys' help with last week! Recently I was asked to do a blog post on reasons why Lucas might win, or why I personally think he could. Both are very good ideas, and so I thought today I'd address both! Maybe give any Team Lucas fans out there hope if they need it, and it's just so much fun to talk about! :)
Does this poor heartbroken man stand a chance after that whopper of a cliffhanger? Or did that "hug heard around the world" seal all three love triangle member's fates? My personal opinion...no. I don't think it did.
Now before we start let me just say that just like everyone else, I do not know who Elizabeth is going to pick. After that crazy cliffhanger ending I have to admit that my spirits were dashed, and things were looking bad for Lucas. But afterward I started reading why other Team Lucas fans thought he could be the "winner" and soon my hopes were brought right back up. I now believe that Lucas really could be "the one" and I'm very excited for Season 8!
I also totally cannot take credit for this whole post as I got so much help from fellow Team Lucas fans pointing out all the parallels and clues leading to a Lucas and Elizabeth ending. Thank you everyone so, so much for your help! I never would have realized some of this stuff without you, and so I'm kind of just reiterating what you showed me at times. :)
Signposts
So a fellow Heartie and Team Lucas fan, @heartiehallmark, helped me out and sent me this great outline detailing the different things pointing to Lucas being "the one." Thank you so much for this as I really wanted to not just have a post listing all the reasons why I think Lucas "should be the one" and have some good solid clues.
My two favorite points are the first two. I never even realized these things, and that's coming from a Heartie who took the time to see whether Chris or Kevin's names were credited first in the opening credits. Lol! Now @heartiehallmark has already taken the time to explain a bunch of great points here, but I thought I'd further discuss some of the things she has pointed out.
Storylines
This is a great point and one I didn't even realize or consider. Throughout Seasons 6-7 Elizabeth has had her own personal storylines, first wanting to start a library in Season 6, and then her writing in Season 7. In both instances Nathan had very little to do with either storyline. All he did was make the plaque in Season 6 for the library plus attend its opening. As for for Season 7 he was also seldomly included in Elizabeth's writing journey. He asked about it maybe twice, and then congratulated her on getting published....at the end of the season.
Meanwhile Lucas' storylines have nearly always revolved and intertwined with Elizabeth's. He was the sole reason the library came to be, and he has continuously helped build it from Season 6-7. He learned about her dream and made it happen, with S6's finale actually having the opening ceremony.
And once again in Season 7 the whole reason Elizabeth finally brought out her short stories after putting them away in Season 4 was because Lucas encouraged her. He went so far as to offer to read them....and Elizabeth let him. There is so much gravity in that fact. The only person who had ever read her stories was Jack. I mean not even Abigail had read them, and now three seasons later who's the first person she let read her stories? Lucas.
Now of course there is the argument out there that Nathan is the reason or inspiration for her novel. I'll put it this way.
Elizabeth may never have even brought her short stories out, let alone
thought of writing a novel without Lucas. She would have never known
that she needed to take her writing deeper if it hadn't been for Lucas.
Did Nathan help her figure out what she wanted to write about? Yes. I'm
totally not denying that. I'd even go so far as to say that yes, he did
inspire her. But it was Lucas who first encouraged and started Elizabeth
off on her writing journey. And to top this whole thing off, Elizabeth never once thanked Nathan for "inspiring" her novel. She thanked Lucas. She told him that she had him to thank for getting published, and that he encouraged her. And so that's my take on the topic of Nathan being the reason for her novel.
Speaking of Nathan, returning to the storyline topic the thing that I noticed is the fact that @heartiehallmark pointed out. Every time Elizabeth gets involved with Nathan its due to his own personal storyline. And not only that, but it's almost always had to do with helping one of her students. Elizabeth always gets involved with Nathan because Allie has a problem, and in turn she tries to help Nathan out as well. It reminds me when she tried helping Shane Cantrell. His son Phillip had a problem, therefore she had to seek Shane out and got into the whole thing with his late wife and helping him move on. It's sort of the same thing here.
So often Elizabeth was interacting with Nathan because she was trying
to help Allie and him with their problems. Allie's problems at school,
Allie wanting to see her grandpa, and Nathan's estranged relationship
with his father. Not to mention the time when Elizabeth asked for help
with Robert when he wanted to become a Mountie. All of these moments
were Elizabeth trying to help with a problem, and sometimes they kind of had
this "teacher talking to a parent" vibe to them. Now I'm not saying that
Elizabeth and Nathan haven't had their moments. I'm just saying that
they haven't had as many....how do I put this....personal ones as her
and Lucas have.
Always Elizabeth is helping Nathan out with his own personal problems, but I fail to see Nathan making a conscience effort to become involved in the things that really matter or interest Elizabeth.
Missed Opportunities
This second thing @heartiehallmark pointed out is a very good point. There were multiple times that Lucas got the moment and Nathan didn't. There were opportunities for Nathan to become the "leading male" as I'll put it, but he didn't. There were even times when he could have equaled the playing field as the outline pointed out, and the writers chose not to let him.
The flowers were one of the biggest things. Both guys made a bold step toward Elizabeth, and yet we only saw Elizabeth's response to one of them. Now if I was Team Nathan I would have been so dang bummed that I didn't get to see Elizabeth's response to Nathan. I mean, that was a big moment for both of them, and we didn't get to see it. Meanwhile for Lucas we saw from the moment Elizabeth opened the door to even him smirking at Nathan as he walked away.
Another thing is that when Lee was hurt someone had to go and tell Elizabeth. Anyone could have done it, but the writers chose to give Lucas that job. I wonder why... And his face said it all. Not only did he not want to have to tell Elizabeth this devastating news, but even his response the next morning showed how deeply this hit him. He had planned Lee's anniversary party, and given him ice for his sick wife, and while he doesn't know him super well, he was so upset at Lee's life or death situation.
And of course I cannot leave out the fact that Lucas has gotten multiple romantic moments with Elizabeth, the most outstanding ones being the two date/not-dates. Nathan hasn't really had as big of moments with her. Not that he hasn't gotten any substantial ones as he has. I guess they just haven't been, like I said, as big. At least for me anyway. It really all comes down to a person's own likes and dislikes.
I for one wanted Lucas to set up an intimate candle lit dinner, which I got to see in the finale. I don't care that that was kind of Jack's thing. To me candles are romantic as are sweet intimate dinners for two. Nathan never got any kind of date or outing with Elizabeth and he's been around for one and a half seasons. I know that some people really like that slow burn storyline which is perfectly fine. I just really enjoy watching sweet and romantic outings....with candles. Lol!
Little Jack
Another thing I thought I would mention, which is also mentioned in the outline above, is Lucas' interactions with Little Jack. Some Hearties believe that he has barely acknowledged him, and while they are completely entitled to their own opinion I do have to disagree here. Every time Lucas ran into Elizabeth in Season 7, and Little Jack was there, he acknowledged him every single time. Sometimes he even brought up Jack when he wasn't even present! (More on that later!) This is a very important fact as Elizabeth could never be with any man who didn't want her son. Lucky for her though, Lucas has outright told her that he wants children. (I very good sign!) He may have said that he's not in a hurry, but....plans change. ;)
Parallels
Now I know that Lucas is not Jack, and he never will be. However there have been multiple parallels between Elizabeth and Jack's relationship and Elizabeth and Lucas'. And since Jack was so incredibly beloved among the Hearties (and Team Nathan does this too) it's worth pointing them out. Now of course this isn't concrete evidence that Elizabeth is going to pick Lucas, but the similarities are definitely interesting.
Church vs. Library
Apparently if a guy wants to win this school teacher's heart all he's got to do is give her a building. Lol! Okay not really, but it certainly helps. :) This is one of the biggest parallels. Most, if not all of you know that in Season 2 Jack used his reward money to build Elizabeth (AKA "the town.") a new church/school building. He then presented it to Elizabeth, and she was stunned.
We then have Lucas who bought a building as an investment, but after learning about Elizabeth's dream to open a library, donated it, or gave it to Elizabeth to be used as a library. (Everyone all at once...Awwwwww!) Both of these acts of kindness were one of the most generous things both men have done on the show. Often I've heard Team Lucas fans say that giving Elizabeth the library was their favorite thing Lucas did. Anyhow the similarity between Jack and the church, and Lucas with the library is very notable.
Not to mention in the end both buildings became as a sort of special place for both couples. (Yes, I just called Elizabeth and Lucas a couple. :) Jack was always coming around the school house, he and Elizabeth actually stayed ALL NIGHT there before he left for the Northern Territories, (Oh, the scandal!) and they even got married there!!
Now the library has become a special place for Lucas and Elizabeth. It's where Lucas first learned about and encouraged Elizabeth's dream of being published, and of course I cannot forget their date/not a date that happened there. Just imagine how awkward it would be should Elizabeth pick Nathan and then have these romantic memories of Lucas every time she goes in the library.
It's Just Fiction
This is something I saw awhile ago when a Team Lucas fan made a video comparing a Jack and Elizabeth moment to an Elizabeth and Lucas one. You all probably know this but for anyone who doesn't remember, back in Season 1 Elizabeth helped put on the Founder's Day play. For this event Jack painted a backdrop for it, but nobody (Except Abigail) knew he was the one who had done it. Well, as the students were rolling it away they discovered that whoever had painted it, had also painted a tiny likeness of Elizabeth and Jack kissing.
Elizabeth was mortified and went to tell Jack, although she had quite a hard time telling him exactly what they were doing. Lol! After she finally manages to spit it out, Jack plays along and pretends to be just as shocked as she is, declaring the whole idea of them kissing to be, "Completely inappropriate" and "Pure fiction."
Elizabeth then seemingly a bit disappointed agrees and says, "Yes. Fiction."
Remind you of anything? Yes, I'm talking about that adorable scene between Elizabeth and Lucas in the mercantile when a poor embarrassed Lucas comes looking for "humble pie." He had thought Elizabeth had maybe based her leading man in her novel off of him, but turns out the guy isn't a perfect spitting image of him. And so he sadly admits it to Elizabeth.
But Elizabeth then replies playfully, "Remember....It is just fiction." Alright, that in itself is a sign. I mean how obvious was that? That was like telling Lucas that not only does he have a shot, but that she's interested in him. And the whole scene was just sweet, and adorable!!!
But once again there is a parallel here, and I found it interesting!
Shall We?
If anyone has watched Jack and Elizabeth's romance, they probably know that those two have a special phrase that is just for them. Jack said it for the first time in the finale of Season 1 when he asked Elizabeth to, "Take a walk with me." Ever since then it's been their line, and should either of the new guys say it to her, the Hearties may launch outrage. (Me included. :D )
Elizabeth and Lucas, however, seem to have their own sort of special phrase in the line, "Shall we?" Lucas has said it to her about three times throughout Season 7 and now it's kind of just become their thing. And of course while this doesn't mean Elizabeth has to pick him, I'm just thinking about Elizabeth and Nathan and I don't really think they have a line like that. The closest thing I can think of is when they said, "Let me know when you figure it out," but I don't know if that is going to be a continued thing between them. It was only really in S7 Episode 1, while Lucas has said, "Shall we?" to Elizabeth once in Episode 7 and twice in Episode 10.
Just saying.... :)
Deep Breath
This is a small comparison but I couldn't help remembering Jack when it happened. In Season 1 Elizabeth suddenly found out that she was assigned to direct the Founder's Day play. She started freaking out about it, Jack noticed, and made her sit down and take a deep breath.
We then come to Season 7 where Elizabeth has suddenly found out that a publisher wants to speak with her. She's so nervous and excited (and freaking out) so Lucas tells her to take a deep breath before taking the call.
Elizabeth's Writing
We have already covered a lot about Elizabeth's writing, but I thought I'd just mention the parallel here as well.
Elizabeth's writing is a very special, almost sacred thing to her, and very few people have ever read it. Jack was Elizabeth inspiration, and he completely encouraged her dream. He went out and bought her a typewriter, he read her stories, (After eventually convincing her to let him) offered his opinion on them, (Which wasn't taken the best) and when they weren't published Jack penned them all down in a wonderful book, and even drew some illustrations for it.
Moving onto Lucas we see sort of the same thing. Lucas inspired Elizabeth to once again reach for her dream of being published. He was granted the special privilege of reading her short stories (Once again after some convincing) gave his opinion on them (Which did not go over well) and worked so hard to make her dream come true, which it did. He really made her dream his own, as he was just as excited or maybe even more so then she was.
I also thought I'd point out here the fact that both Jack and Lucas have given Elizabeth a book as a gift. Oh, the parallels just keep adding up! :)
Cliffhanger to Cliffhanger
The final parallel I'm going to discuss is the insane cliffhanger from Season 2 compared to Season 7. First off both of them were jaw dropping, scream at your TV worthy. Lol! Secondly both of them had to do with a love triangle. (Season 7's was just more uncertain and intense!) Let's break them down, shall we? (See what I did there? Lol!)
So Season 2 ends with Jack and Elizabeth finally, FINALLY telling each other how they feel, and having that romantic kiss in the mine. It also ended the supposed "triangle" between Jack and Charles. (Although it wasn't nearly as "triangly" as the one between Elizabeth, Lucas, and Nathan in my opinion.) Anyhow Jack goes out, buys a ring, gets all dressed up, and goes to the church to propose to his girl. He feels like his and Elizabeth's relationship is in the bag. But what does he find when he gets there? No one else then his competition Charles down on one knee doing the exact thing he came there to do. Jack's face says it all. He's crushed. Then POOF! Season over. (Slaps hand to forehead)
And what did we see in Season 7's finale? Lucas and Elizabeth had just had a romantic dinner the night before. Lucas felt like everything was falling into place and that things were going great. Then something happens, he steps outside to take a look, and what does he see but Elizabeth flying into his rival's arms. Once again his face said it all. He was so confused, and hurt.
Now granted this is not the exact same situation. Charles obviously never stood a chance, but just watching Lucas' reaction definitely reminds me of Jack's shocked face at the end of Season 2.
Foreshadowing
Now even Team Nathan can't deny the significance of certain scenes or at least the potential they could have on this whole triangle. We have gotten quite a few "big moments" with Lucas and Elizabeth that could foreshadow them as a couple in the future.
Unconditional Love
First we have when Lucas told Elizabeth that she deserves nothing less than unconditional love. I just watched that scene recently and the thing that stuck out to me is the fact that Lucas kind of took over the scene. Elizabeth first asked Nathan for help spreading the word about the chickenpox outbreak, but then Lucas came and said he'd help. Nathan then left, and the scene turned into this sweet and heartfelt scene with Lucas and Elizabeth. And to top the whole thing off he asked about Little Jack's heath. Mic drop, and score! He didn't have to say anything about her son but, what was the first thing he asked her when they were left to themselves? "How's Little Jack doing?" Well, don't you get a gold metal, Mr. Bouchard!
Hopeful Romantic
Then of course we have Lucas saying "Love certainly is special," and how he's a hopeful romantic. But its not only the dialogue here but what he does. Another Team Lucas fan pointed out that Lee helped Rosemary with her coat, (The happily married couple) then Jesse helped Clara with her coat, (The soon to be married couple) and then Lucas helps Elizabeth with her coat. (The potential couple.) This totally elevates the whole scene and truly makes it a potential foreshadowing moment.
Dates/Not Dates
I've already gone into a lot of detail about the highly foreshadowing moment in Union City and the "If this were a date," scenarios. (Click the blue for links for the posts if you'd like to read about those scenes in more detail.) But I have to mention them here as well. I mean the guy basically called Elizabeth his soulmate, and said he'd be patient with her, waiting as long as it took to win her heart. And of course we have this beauty of a line,
"But she loved him. I think she just wanted to be sure." It just oozes with foreshadowing!
And there was the big moment when Lucas said that "If this were a date, I would take your jacket" and within a few seconds she's unbuttoning her jacket and handing it to him. Elizabeth isn't unaware. She saw the whole dinner set before her, and knew that Lucas wanted to actually date her. And she didn't leave or call him out on it. In fact she enjoyed it.
I guess the point here is that we have gotten multiple times where something hinted at a potential future for them, and showed what Lucas' intentions are. He's interested, maybe already in love with her, and wants to continue pursuing her. The question is, why give the Hearties all of these romantic moments if they mean nothing? Why not have given more of them to Elizabeth and Nathan if he's the end game? I know I would be saying that if I was on Team Nathan. I mean, let's be honest, one of the main reasons most Hearties watch this show is for the romance. Why wouldn't we have gotten more with Nathan and Elizabeth if he's to be the one?
The last thing to point out is the fact that Lucas and Elizabeth have discussed romantic love multiple times throughout Season 7 while I can't remember her and Nathan talking about it once. A good sign if you ask me!
And not to mention that "spicy scene" as Eva Bourne called it in the library when Elizabeth couldn't find the door. Why all of a sudden did she feel the need to get out of the library that fast after being that close to Lucas? She was obviously uncomfortable, and to top it off she gave him the "lip stare." (Oooo!) I'm planning on doing a separate post detailing that scene but Elizabeth's response was totally worth mentioning here.
Chemistry
Now this is totally subject to each person's opinion, but Elizabeth and Lucas have got chemistry. They have this sweet, playful, and romantic attitude and manner when their around each other. Not to mention have you seen the smiles they give each other, sometimes when one of them isn't even looking?
Lucas looks at Elizabeth like a lovesick school boy, and frankly it's adorable! He just looks so dang love struck and like he's falling so hard for her. And Elizabeth gives such sweet and excited smiles when she's around Lucas. Both of them just make the other a better person and so happy. (Happy sigh... :)
Now you Team Lucas fans already know all of this. But the other thing here is that certainly the writers are not ignorant of this chemistry. They purposely picked Chris due to his audition and chemistry with Erin. Not to mention there is the whole thing where he got to audition as both guys. (Hmmm... Interesting...)
Who Elizabeth Really Chose
This has been the gigantic and main debate going on between the Hearties ever since Season 7 ended. After watching it I'm sure a lot of Hearties thought that things were finally sealed, and that Elizabeth had made her choice. I mean, after all Elizabeth did just run and throw herself into Nathan's arms in the middle of the street for all to see. (Including poor Lucas... :(
What adds to this whole situation is a statement our very own Papa Bird made back around July of 2019 in an interview with Tony Rossi. (Here's the link: https://thechristophersblog.org/2019/07/24/when-calls-the-hearts-brian-bird-on-adoption-mercy-and-meaningful-storytelling/ ) He said,
"We thought that (the love triangle) would be a fun way to keep everybody incredibly
invested in the show, and that’s going to resolve itself. That love
triangle is going to resolve itself in season seven. I’m not going to
tell you how, but I can tell you at least that much.”
Well, the first statement certainly was true! Fans have become SUPER invested in who Elizabeth will pick. (As for the fun part, it's different for each person. :)
However the fact that he says that the love triangle was to be resolved in Season 7 is very interesting. Now for some Hearties that means that Nathan has won, which is totally understandable. He got that "hug heard around the world" after all. However, just because he did get that hug doesn't mean he won. Well in my book anyway.
Brian's statement was simply the fact that the triangle would be resolved, not that we would know who Elizabeth picked. This leaves the door wide open for Lucas. The way it seems to be is either Elizabeth picked Nathan during the hug, or Lucas during their "date/ non-date" the night before. Which one? Sigh....I really don't know...
But things have really been looking up for Lucas the more I see the clues leading to them. I now really think he has a chance and may actually be the "winner" here.
Well, there we have it! A very long list of reasons Lucas really could be the one Elizabeth chooses! Now to answer the question in the title of this post. Does Lucas have a chance? Yes! In my opinion, yes he absolutely does! The reason I think that? It's a combination of the things I just stated in this post. Different clues and facts that just seem to be leading to them. Nathan just hasn't done as much as Lucas in my opinion. Does that mean Elizabeth wont pick the Mountie? Absolutely not. I'm just saying... I don't think that this triangle has been settled by that hug.
A great big thank you to everyone who helped me with this post! I couldn't have done this without you, and a special thanks to @heartiehallmark for that great outline she gave me! I may have to do another post sometime in the future on all the reasons why Elizabeth should choose Lucas and all his wonderful qualities!
Thank you all so much for reading this very long post! Feel free to comment below or on my Twitter page anything I may have forgotten or missed! God Bless!
Bravo! I agree with everything said here, you really did your homework!! And thanks to @heartiehallmark also. :)
ReplyDeleteTwo things I wanted to mention- first, Nathan said 'what's in your heart?' causing Elizabeth to decide to write about being a single mom, because LJ is in her heart. I have heard it said that his question encouraged her to write, and it did, but not about him. It was about her son.
The second thing is, we all know Elizabeth wanted Nathan to ask her out, at least I saw it that way. But, he didn't until after her 'date/non-date' the night before with Lucas. When he finally got up the courage, she hesitated. I have watched it several times, and she looks uncomfortable. The reason for that? All speculation at this point.
I will hold out hope for Lucas until I know for sure!
Thank you so much for this post! I loved every bit of it!!
:)
Thank you! I'm so glad you enjoyed it! It was quite a longer post then usual. Lol! But I really owe so much thanks to everyone (Including you!) for all the help I received.
DeleteAnd you make some good points. Nathan totally did encourage her to write and helped her figure out what was in her heart. I mean yes, her leading male character is similar to Nathan, (and Lucas) but the title of the book showed that it's Little Jack that's in her heart.
And yes I totally saw what Elizabeth was doing. She practically asked him to ask her out. And yet she couldn't say yes when he finally did. But like you said it's totally speculation at this point as to why.
But I'm really feeling more confident about Lucas being the possible endgame! @heartiehallmark's outline gave some good points! And I'm with you! Still holding out hope for that Lucas ending!
Thank you so much for the kind words, the comment, and all of your help! God Bless!
Very well said my dear!!!..To me if Elizabeth picks Nathan we lose everything that we have with Lucas and Elizabeth..their times together..their chemistry...their sparkle in their eyes and all of their talks they have had together...Lucas has to be in Elizabeth’s life!!!..She is a storywriter..she will “ALWAYS “ need his input!!!...so why take all of that away from us..His love ..concerns,,devotion all for what reasons????..please writers do not take that away from us!!!..thank you so much..you have said “everything” that is on our hearts!!!#team Lucas 1,000,000%...thanks again..God bless💕💕💕💕
ReplyDeleteAww! Thank you! I'm so glad you enjoyed it! And I agree it would just be so sad if we got all of these sweet and romantic moments with Lucas and Elizabeth if they all just got thrown away because she picked Nathan. I'm not sure what's going to happen but I'm feeling much more hopeful that Lucas could be the one Elizabeth picks! God Bless!
ReplyDeleteThis is terryann OSullivan
ReplyDeleteI am team Lucas all the way.
This is a wonderful analysis! I too agree that the door is not yet closed for Team Lucas, and I am hopeful these signs ring true and point towards him being her final choice. The amount of time season 7 has put into building up their friendship and budding relationship just cannot compare to the amount that Nathan has gotten - while I think she does have some feelings for Nathan, she will come to realize it's Lucas that she's wanted all along, just like with Jack and Charles. I think the hug was just a cliffhanger for suspense, not to show that he's the final choice. Really hoping for more Team Lucas moments and a resolution next season!!
ReplyDeleteThank you! So glad you enjoyed it! We've just gotten all these wonderful and sweet moments with Lucas and Elizabeth and I so hope we get even more next season! I agree that cliffhanger was just to keep everyone in suspense. It really didn't settle the debate. I love that Lucas still has a chance, and I can't wait to find out what the writers have in store for Season 8! Thank you so much for all your help! I so appreciate it! God Bless!
DeleteThis turned out exceptionally well!! I am so flattered by how you used my outline and you fleshed it out beautifully. As for the rest of your points, I agree with all of those as well! This was an absolute pleasure to read and I am so glad I was able to contribute! I hope we are right! ����
ReplyDeleteThank you! I'm so happy you enjoyed it! You really helped make this post so much better! Thank you so much for all your help and for allowing me to use your thought provoking outline! I hope we're right too! God Bless!
DeleteSo well written! Great analysis and gives me a lot of hope! I’ve been so anxious they’re going to go with Nathan and what an alarming example that would present for young people watching this show! His brooding, yelling, jealousy, mistrust and mistreatment of Elizabeth, Lucas, his father, Robert, etc. are being completely overlooked! He has more growth to do before he’s ready for a healthy, open, trusting relationship! Let him do that first before pairing him with anyone!
ReplyDeleteIf it Lucas is not end game, I will just be devastated for him. Words and actions carry weight and he’s just been so clear that what he wants is to be with Elizabeth and little Jack. All those romantic moments, all their shared connections over writing, all their conversations of her concern with the oil company, all his consideration for her and her son. All of that would be lost if she went with Nathan. How could #TeamLucas move on from all those declarations and amazing moments if they ever tried pairing him with someone else? And please don’t take the character off the show! He’s integral to the town now.
Elizabeth’s moments with Nathan have helped better him as a parent and son, helped better him for his family and for his next romantic relationship (not E!). But he has not directly declared an intent and seemingly could move on easier from Elizabeth’s rejection. Their friendship could be used as a spark for him to realize he needs to ‘up his game’ for whichever future girl he goes after. He should be paired with someone he can offer something to; someone he can make better. Elizabeth undoubtedly makes him better (as she does Lucas) but I don’t see him making her better at all. He rather selfishly just ‘needs her’ as even Kevin McGarry has admitted. But she does not seem to need him, as your storyline description articulated! She needs Lucas!
Also, I don’t agree with some Team Nathan folks that her relationship with Lucas is too easy, boring, not fun to watch, etc. What I see is a couple who show each other genuine respect and consideration, even when dealing with conflict (Nathan IMO has not shown her that at all!). They understand each other and their personalities compliment each other. He gently pushes her out of her comfort zone but responds empathetically and respectfully if she feels he’s gone too far (ex. Sending chapters to his mother). She brings out more of his altruism and seems to offer the life he’s longed for. They share not only a love of literature but of children and socialization.
ReplyDeleteThe Christmas episode was so telling when she described to Nathan her large family Christmases and how wonderful she found those celebrations to be. Nathan was shocked and noted how he liked things to be simple. While, if they paired, she may agree to that, it saddens me to think she’d have to temper her social preferences to cater to a husband who hates crowds and large gatherings. You know who would welcome the cousins, the neighbors, the old friends into their home whenever she wished? Of course, the charming Mr. Bouchard! It’s clear Lucas has felt out of place and searching for a stable, loving home life in adulthood to contrast his own tumbleweed upbringing; I think he’d joyously embrace that life with Elizabeth.
There is still so much to play with between the two that could give writers a lot to work with and show their continued growth as a couple and overcoming challenges: learning about Lucas’ past and family; how her family would react to her being with a saloon owner (gasp!); Lucas adjusting to fatherhood; Elizabeth dealing with his occupation and him being away evenings; her opening her heart fully after loss and him pushing her too quickly perhaps; her writing. So much. Even giving him the oil company is expanding Lucas’ world for more potential storylines (another good sign?).
I am just on pins and needles that the writers might make the wrong choice here and put her with Nathan. It really has nothing to do with their occupations for me; it’s the personalities and what each man has to offer her. Lucas provides the assurance of his affections and the warmth she needs after tragically losing Jack. What does Nathan offer? He so constantly withdraws his attentions if he feels she’s misstepped; how is that healthy in a relationship? He just wounds her continuously and I hate to see it! If they go with him, they better teach that man how to communicate and apologize! He needs to start treating her (and others!) with respect and apologizing for his missteps!!!
Oh and I know you said what would ‘seal the deal’ with Elizabeth in an early post would be either man saving her life but really, it would be either man saving her son’s life! So many possibilities there for Lucas to be her knight in shining armor...
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it! Nathan is very moody and honestly I feel he hasn't really done enough for Elizabeth. He's got a lot to work through from his past. His backstory is so deep and traumatic and it makes for a great dramatic story for him with a nice character arc. However throughout the seasons he's just always been so withdrawn and even bitter at times.
DeleteAnd your so right in the fact that Nathan "needs" Elizabeth. She doesn't need him unless she loves him, and there have just haven't been a boat load of romantic moments between them.
Meanwhile Lucas and Elizabeth have already become like a couple. They share things from their past, they have common interests, on of those being Elizabeth's writing and their working on it together. They respect each other, make each other laugh and smile, and help each other. Lucas didn't have to tell Elizabeth anything about the oil company, and yet they've talked about it multiple times together, like a couple would.
And either guy saving Little Jack would score MAJOR points!! I can't wait to see what the writers have come up with for Season 8! Thank you for the comment! God Bless!
I'm so sorry - I meant to write this sooner but there were so many thoughts swirling around in my head when I read it for the first time the other day that I needed to take some time to do a re-read. Thank you so much for taking the time to write this and for the effort you have poured into wording it so articulately - it is so appreciated! I have been fairly confident that we will get Lucas & Elizabeth next season, but it's always nice to have something tangible to look at/read that reaffirms those beliefs while we wait for confirmation.
ReplyDeleteFor me, the conversations about love are HUGE. I think that scene from 7x04 when they talk about "unconditional love," creates a shift in their dynamic. If you watch Elizabeth's reaction after he says, "you deserve nothing less"...her breath catches and she has to compose herself as he walks away. It affects her...almost like it stirs something in her that is already there -- her feelings for him. We see that those feelings have surfaced in the following episode and she even acknowledges them to Rosemary. Then we get the "hopeful romantic" scene and you again see from the expression on her face that what he says resonates with her. Then of course, we get the motherload of them all...7x07.
Like you said, "She loved him, I think she just wanted to be sure," is very significant. It is dripping with foreshadowing and I hope is the defining quote of the triangle's outcome. I almost believe that Elizabeth's reason for wanting Nathan to ask her out has to do with wanting to "make sure" that Lucas is the one. If this were solely about preference and wanting Nathan more, then she'd distance herself from Lucas, and she hasn't done that. She's still drawn to Lucas and wants to spend time with him. When he asks her to meet him in the library at night, her reaction is to break into an expectant smile. She WANTS to meet him...and what's more, even wants it to be date! Also, Elizabeth felt guilty about hurting Nathan by going out of town with Lucas, and yet, she meets Lucas again for dinner! The fact that she can't bring herself to agree to Nathan's request for a simple dinner at the cafe is very telling. Her heart isn't in it, regardless of what her mind thinks she should do. There's a clear disconnect between her head and her heart. Plus, the differences in reaction to being asked to dinner by each man is so contrasted.
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DeleteI also wanted to bring up screentime for both E&L and E&N in the season premiere and finale. In the premiere, we got 5 scenes between E&L and 3 between E&N. In the finale, we got 7 scenes between E&L and a mere 3 between E&N. I loved that Nathan is so far removed from the book storyline that in the finale, he had to hear that Elizabeth was getting published from his rival and not Elizabeth herself (lol, sorry, I take great pleasure in that.)
One more thing that's huge to me is the fact that Nathan and Elizabeth haven't gotten to know each other...at all. I can make an argument that Elizabeth has somewhat gotten to know Nathan because she has helped him with his issues with Allie and his father, but other than that, she hasn't taken an active interest in learning more about him on a personal level. The same goes for Nathan. He has made no effort in getting to know Elizabeth. Elizabeth and Lucas, on the other hand, have actively gotten to know each other. They have identified common interests and have learned about each other's upbringing. This bond over loving books and putting this library together connects them in a way that Nathan cannot compete with at all. Their personalities mesh, they understand where the other comes from, they connect intellectually...she has none of that with Nathan.
I could go on and on but I'll stop here lol. That library scene from 7x06 is one of my absolute favorites so I'm really looking forward to reading that blog entry! Thank you again for this wonderful piece...I know for sure that I'll be reading it again soon. Here's hoping we're all right and that we get a Lucas and Elizabeth romance next season!!
No worries at all! I'm grateful you put so much time an effort in your comment!
DeleteAnd....Yes, yes, and yes! You make some great points here! I had never counted the number of scenes E has had with each guy, but WOW!
I know that Nathan fans usually say that it would be easier for E to leave L and go with N but that's not really the truth. Nathan truly has done so little in comparison to Lucas. Lucas is always thinking about Elizabeth and ways he can make her happy. Nathan really hasn't tried that hard and like you said he barely knows her. Not on a true personal level like Lucas has.
As for Elizabeth's response to Nathan's offer to "get dinner" (Had to do that. Lol!) it's really all up to interpretation but Elizabeth's responses to both guys are so contrasting. She just lights up around Lucas and like you said she WANTED to go. With Nathan she was uncomfortable and unsure. I'm not sure why, but it's interesting for sure.
Nathan really could be the guy that helps her "make sure" she's really in love with Lucas. Nathan represents the life she had, and wanted with Jack. That has to have some gravity in this whole situation.
And yes, Nathan finding out from his rival about E getting published is funny! Lol!
Something that stands out is the fact that Nathan really doesn't show much interest in what E is interested in. He honestly has showed so little interest in the library, books, and even E's writing just in the fact that he literally only asked about it once. He found out she writes in Ep. 1, asked about her writing in Ep. 3, and then found about she was published (By Lucas. Lol!) in the finale. Only then does he joke about her not hurting her famous hands.
I could go on forever but I'll stop for now. Thank you so much again for all your support, your thoughtful comment, and for all the help you gave me in creating this post! I truly appreciate it! Have a wonderful weekend, and God Bless!
I've always been #TeamLucas, but in watching back the seasons I'm looking to find moments with Nathan of the personal nature that are done in front of others. I'm not really finding much. For instance with Lucas, we have the helping of the coat in front of Bill. The giving of flowers in front of Rosemary. The "non-date" book reading where Rosemary and Lee watched little Jack so they could go. For Nathan, the moments seem to be in front of Allie or the children. And yes, they've had moments in the town, in front of others, but the more "personal" moments haven't been noticed in a big way in front of some of the other leading costars. What are you guys seeing in terms of this on your end? I'd just love to read more comments in support of Lucas in this. 😉 I adore your blog and am loving your fan fiction!!!
ReplyDeleteLook at the way she sucks her neck in when she is around Nathan. Same reaction to Charles. Team Lucas
DeleteThanks Julesclds! I'm so happy you've been enjoying both the blog and my fanfic! You make an interesting point! I never really thought about that before. Nathan hasn't really had any moments like that, as far as I can remember anyway. Nathan in general just hasn't had a boat load of moments like Lucas has with Elizabeth. A lot of the time it's just E helping him with a personal problem and vise versa N helping E with a problem with one of her students. Hopefully that just helps point more toward a Lucas finish! I'm really hoping we find out that she picks him in Season 8! Thank you so much for all the support and the comment! God Bless!
DeleteEu tenho que parabenizá-la. Nós Teamlucas do Brasil vimos todos estes paralelos, mas você trouxe outros novos que nos abençoaram. Estava bem desanimada achando que a escolha fosse o Nathan, mas isto me animou muito. Esse time é incrível. Obrigada ❤️🇧🇷
ReplyDeleteAww! You're very welcome! I'm so glad you enjoyed the post! I was discouraged after Season 7's finale too, but now I have more hope for Lucas. I still have no idea who Elizabeth will pick, but like I said, I now have more hope then I did before. I really hope that Lucas will be Elizabeth's choice! God Bless!
ReplyDeleteOh I liked your text so much. It brought me so much confidence and hope. I just wonder how we're going to go if E doesn't choose L. At this point in the plot it seems totally meaningless.
ReplyDeleteThank you! I'm so glad you enjoyed it! I agree, I just don't know how things would go if E doesn't pick L. She's literally his best friend, and things would become very awkward between them if she goes with Nathan. Hopefully we'll never find out though. Lol!
DeleteThank you for reading and the comment! God Bless!
Quite frankly, I'm bored with the way Elizabeth continues to look at Nathan. She chose Lucas and she should be confident with her choice and stop looking at Nathan the way she does which continues to give Nathan hope. It appears that she chose Lucas because Nathan has a dangerous occupation but she may still love Nathan anyway. I would not be surprised if she changes her mind.
ReplyDeleteAlways Lucas, I feel for you, and hope it works out well for both teams. There is only 1 E. Who knows maybe they wanted it to be Lucas and then changed their mind and then decided to go with Nathan and switched again. By the end we will know the final outcome. Regardless one team will be hurt! So sad! hopefully the show will be able to move forward.
DeleteThere will never be a win/win for either team. Right now it looks like the Mountie may be winning or a little drama to make it exciting for Lucas to win! Bottom line is one team is going to be heartbroken. I know how i feel if L does not win and have spoken to others that will not be able to continue watching the show feeling that Lucas was played. Meanwhile the Nathan fans feel there was never a triangle to begin with and that it's been all Lucas. There may be a season 9 but at cost of getting ratings with a triangle, will it be the loss of WCTH forever. They have turned this season into a soap opera drama. If the only reason E went out of character was to play Lucas it would be insulting. I am team Lucas until the end, but regardless of how it ends fans will still be hurt. Hallmark brought this on themselves, and they will have to pay the consequences if the fan viewership goes south. I really hope this ends well for both parties. I completely understand that they may want to keep the historical side of Janet Oakes book, but they should have did it a different way. Kevin McGarry said most fans will be Happy. (Not sure what this means)
ReplyDeleteI'm happy that it worked out for Lucas. I came across this link a few days ago and found it very interesting. I had forgotten the similarities that Elizabeth saw in Jack and Lucas. Enjoy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrCd2g8DJJ0
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